Eurovision

[Hermes Trimegisto]

Well i can also tell you that i am a huge metal fan for 14 years, so i can also recognize what is metal and what is not, and 96 quite bitter beings is defenetly not metal, actually the site where i looked for them to get some listen to any song, was calling them rock/pop! Defenetly not punk rock as well!

[nurgling]

lol well... in England people have different ideas. And since I am from England that is who I will listen to.

And also Knight of the White wolf, if you were meaning me talking about the band I'm in then I'm sorry you don't believe me I was just writing something because I think we are good but we are probably crap if you say so

Next you'll be saying Slipnot and limp bizkit isn't metal ...
And about the rock/metal thing... Imagine rock and metal are 2 circles that overlap.. well the bit inside there is a lot of music that could be classed as either and thats how you should look at it because, like it or not, thats how it works. I don't care how old anyone is because it doesn't mean that they'll be more right than me about this topic, seeing as music is a large part of my own and my whole families lives (not classic crap) and the fact that I'm in a metal/rock band has to count for something cos I actually play these types of music, not just listen to them.

Can people stop arguing over this rubbish it's completely random and since we all come from different parts of Europe we will have different opinions.

[nurgling]

And btw if a website you were looking at classed it as pop that was some weeeiirrrrrrrd website man /
Pop is stuff like Britney spears. If it was Pop I would be ashamed to listen to it. (No offense people who like Pop; its just where I live Pop is sort of for sad loser people)

If you want to hear Pop listen to Top of the pops. 96 Quite bitter Beings is almost completely opposite to that. It is quite similar to a song called 'Break Stuff' by Limp Bizkit and if anyone were to call that song 'Pop' or even rock i would probably shoot them. (not that I have a gun...)

[Hermes Trimegisto]

Slipknot is indeed metal, crap metal, but unfortunatly still metal . Now Limp Biskit IS NOT METAL! It's malcore, so it's Linkin park, deftones, korn, Mudvayane (spelling?), just because some retard named then NU-Metal, doesn't make them metal, it's freaking mallcore!

If you want Metal, here are some bands, you should try to listen to, and after you tell me if you still consider Limp Biskit metal:
MAyhem (Death/Black Metal)
Slayer (Trash Metal)
Moonspell (Gothic Metal)-- > www.moonspell.com --> they have a videoclip as soon as you open the website
Dark Lunacy (Melodic Death Metal)
Hammerfall (Power Metal)
Blind Guardian (Power Metal)
Yngwie Malmsteen (Heavy Metal)

I think these ones are enough, i recommend www.youtube.com to search for video clips and not downloading music, bands need support!

Another thing, England is just the country of some of the greatest metal bands, like Manowar, Iron Mayden, Cradle of Filth (their latter albuns are extreme goth), Anathema, Bal Sagoth, just to name a few, so don't even come near me telling in england you have a different view!

If you really want to learn more about metal, and not make youself look like an ass i recommend these websites:
www.anus.com/metal/
www.metal-archives.com/ --> it's sometimes down, but has the biggest database on metal bands on the web.

One more thing, i am sorry if this post sounds ofensive, that's not really my intend, but since mallcore became mainstream, the metal name has been dragged into the dirt too many times, and i just get pissed when i see someone calling Limp Bisket metal, i am already allergic to such blasphemys!

[Hermes Trimegisto]

Dude, i read your post again... Just because your family is in the music industry, that doesn't make you an authority in music, you even refered "classic crap", classic music is one of the best types of music you'll ever find, that tells alot about what you know of music. I don't care what type of music you play in your band, but if it's something like Limp Bisket, quit calling it metal. bEing from any place of Europe or even the world, doesn't mean the music is called something else there, classical music is classical either in China or in Argentina! Heavy Metal is Heavy Metal anywhere! I also have a band, we're recording our second album now, we made 1 demo as power metal, and 1 album as power metal, the 2nd album will be Gothic metal, because we want to go in a different direction! We are hardly know yet, and probably we will die unknown, and none of us care about that, because metal is not about making music for money, it's a way of life, most of the times is an underground movement, not like that crap crap rock/rap mixup, where dudes using trousers that look like pottaoe bags are screaming "keep rooling, roolling, roolling", to make money, got it?

[Hermes Trimegisto]

Another thing i am copying and pasting your posts into a metal forum, i hope you don't mind, but you are being pointed and laughed at!

P.S. Sorry everyone for the spamm, i went berzerker!

[nurgling]

yeah well thats nice isnt it arsehole? Apart from the fact that now I feel like a piece of shit you have gone way past the line seriously mate, thats just completely out of order posting on a batty goth website.

And btw the type of 'metal' that you listen to is not the type of metal that I listen to and trust me in England our views are different. Seeing as I've never even heard of most of those bands u listed it just shows that people in mainland europe don't have an idea what is good in England.

And I don't like Goths, and the 'metal' you refer to is an extreme. For example, most muslims are really nice and normal people. Other Muslims are not and have killed thousands of people in their suicide crap. Its a dodgy analogy (i know) but it shows how much things can vary. Metal is like that. If you're Goth friends who are probably retards in real life and just sit behind computers all day getting fat and who have barely any friends in real life are reading this, them screw them. But if you have the cheek to post this onto your batty website then go on, but it's just a completely spiteful thing to do.

[nurgling]

And just to add I only wrote 'classic crap' so that I didn't get flamed and I play in a brass band which has classical music.
Also I am not even a huge metal fan so don't get lary. And I do think that Limp Bizkit is metal whatever you say. Just because a band can play some real music without completely ruining a song it doesnt mean its not metal, it just means its not trash. Even some death metal is not completely screwed up; sometimes it actually has a melody! Amazing isn't it?

I really do find what you have done to be extremely offensive and you have really gone too far. I'm can't really get my head around why someone would do stuff like that its just weird.

And to everyone else, I am really sorry for my language and sorry about this argument, we should really have had it in private msgs but whats happened can't be changed. I find it really annoying when people from other countries start talking to me about music because actually to let you know, people in England mostly think that the metal listened to in main europe is 'Euro trash'. Ie. it isn't really proper music.

[Hermes Trimegisto]

You still don't get it do you? I am not a freaking Goth! And that crap you listen is not Metal!!!!! Ya well, sorry for telling that about posting on another website, i really didn't, was something to piss ya off! Stop telling you guys in england have a different view, that's just not truth, what is happening in england is what is happening is every country in the world, metal is being bastardized with the mallcore act! It's not a different english view, it's the commercial music industry view, all around the world. There used to be a very nice show in MTV called Headbangers ball, nowadays half of the bands that are shown there are not metal! Is the money talking, they refer to it as metal, but it really isn't, it's just to sell. Wake up dude, it's not metal!!!!!!!!! Just check the www.anus.com website and you'll get it! Metal is about ideals, a bout commitment! I can't even explain it! Just please read the links i gave you, i think you'll understand it after!

[nurgling]

Yeah well im sorry Im not a hardcore metal fan. And Im sorry that you get offended by the fact that mallcore is 'bastardizing' metal. But I don't overcomplicate things and I usually am with the view of the general public. ie. you can class music as you see fit. and that people shouldent take it so seriously as to have a full scale argument about music which is only a part of their lives unless theyre real freaks and then its their whole life

[Hermes Trimegisto]

What does it make the english bands i named so different of the rest of the other European metal bands? "Euro trash" is what the mallcore kids in USA call the real metal act in europe, i guess the virus is spreading even more...

[nurgling]

And i've just read some stuff on that anus.com website and I don't really think it has much to do with metal. All it says is that Nihilism is basically when people think everything sucks including life. And i do like some heavy metal music, but I definately don't have the view that 'nothing is worth doing' so i spose that means Im not allowed to like some heavy metal that isn't over the top?

All Im saying is, Heavy metal doesnt have to be that stuff that people listen to and smash their guitars on the walls, it can be more light hearted.

[nurgling]

Right, go on arguing even after I said I thought we should stop

[Hermes Trimegisto]

nurgling said:

Yeah well im sorry Im not a hardcore metal fan. And Im sorry that you get offended by the fact that mallcore is 'bastardizing' metal. But I don't overcomplicate things and I usually am with the view of the general public. ie. you can class music as you see fit. and that people shouldent take it so seriously as to have a full scale argument about music which is only a part of their lives unless theyre real freaks and then its their whole life

Metal is a way of life, so no wonder ppl get pissed over it, and it's not just me, it's an entire freaking underground movement around the world! You can't class music as i see fit, music has a soul, you can't classify Vivaldi as Pop/rock just because you see fit! I don't get offended about the mallcore, i get pissed! And ppl should take it very seriouslly, since it's always about money, about money, about money, things lose their sool that way! And yes i am a Metal freak and proud of it, that doesn't mean metal is the only thing on my life, i also listen to classical music for instance and i love it, i work, i study, i get out (amazing isn't it?), and i held a regular life, jsut like anyone else!

[Hermes Trimegisto]

www.anus.com/metal/ --- this link

[nurgling]

please stop this

If you say that about Vivaldi then don't go around chatting that other songs are pop/rock when they are blatently not.

i never want to hear another word about this... Please.
Why can't we just be friends and stop all this arguing. Please don't say anything more...

I have probably been put off metal for life now

[Hermes Trimegisto]

Ok before anyone starts thinking of us as mindless freaks, we appolagized eachother in private messeges and it's all ok (although that doesn't mean we agree with eachother ;p)!

[elpancho81]

I will be honest with you guys. THIS CONVERSATION WAS STARTING TO ANNOY ME! It is OK to post your comments and opinions, 100% ACCEPTED. But what is not accepted is the fact that you start arguing about it. I'm not saying the thread is stupid or that people who posted here are, but you really looked childish. Remember this:

"Every mind is a world"

Some guys can insult types of music and like other ones. I HATE METAL OR FUNK OR WHATEVER style that has to deal with making a lot of noise, but still I respect it. I rather listen to my music than arguing with someone else.

HAIL EVERY SINGLE MUSIC STYLE!!!!!!!!

End of discussion.....

[Hermes Trimegisto]

[Knight of the White Wolf]

One word: Enougth

Sorry, but if you want to argue use privet messages, from now on, any agruements here will be edit out befor its target gets to read it!